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@natecull Someone else reminded me of this, but if you haven't checked out Paul Laffoley's artistic works, you should. He specializes in bonkers intense mystical diagrams.

kentfineart.net/available-paul

@dl

Oh, that's interesting! I'm definitely seeing the "polarised psychological triad" imagery that for some reason is fascinating me so much at the moment. The yin/yang of receptive/active multiplied by three phases (which itself I think can be derived from yin/yang/balance).

I find it interesting/strange that so many mystical systems agree that "there are Seven Fundamental Qualities" but they don't agree, at all, on WHAT those Qualities are.

That seems like a bit of an odd oversight.

@natecull I feel like it almost has to be geometry in some way, right? Providing that schema on which we hang our surroundings.

@dl

Possibly geometry, or possibly logic/maths.

One of the core root ideas of these schemes of "seven" often seems to be that the Seven breaks down into Three (ie, two complementary triangles/triads plus a centre point) and the threes themselves break down into negative, positive, zero/centre.

But not all of the psychological schemes really work through what this structure might mean.

One that does is the Buddhist "Seven Factors of Awakening" which seems to resonate with me.

@dl

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Fa

Ie if we take 'Mindfulness' as the centre point, then we have three 'active' and three 'passive' mental qualities, each of which seems to break down into an active, a passive and a centre, and pair with each other across a hex or cbuic geometry reasonably well.

@dl

Specifically, I'm thinking about pairing:

* Virya (bottom) with Passaddhi (top) as a "Volitional" axis
* Piti (top right) with Upekkha (bottom left) as an "Intellectual" axis
* Vicaya (top left) with Samadhi (bottom right) as an "Emotional" axis

This creates a structure that has a deep logical underpinning and seems to resonate strongly with me.

@dl

I would *like* to think that this is the same structure of seven mental qualities that the Zoroastrians hit on and called the Amesha Spenta

I'd like to be, but it probably isn't

@dl

But if it were, then I'd try these assignments:

* Sati = Spenta Mainyu

* Virya=Vairya vs Armaiti=Passadhi

* Manah=Piti vs Ameratat=Upekkha

* Asa=Vicaya vs Haurvatat=Samadhi

and see if that produced any insight.

(Of these, the two that feel the least settled are Ameretat and Haurvatat; they could swap. But I'd try this first.)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amesha_S

@dl

The so-called Chamundra Yantra is also fascinating to me because it appears to show a deep connection between the (Vedic/Persian/Jewish) Six/Seven hex star and the (Taoist/Buddhist) Eight/Nine grid. Something which I feel must also exist because both figures seem to be talking about similar things (circles, loops, exchanges of energy, the cycle of the seasons).

Don't much like Chamundra herself, she seems not nice, but the figure is interesting.

hinduism.stackexchange.com/que

@dl

And of course the I Ching (Yijing) people are all over the correspondences between these two systems. How much of this speculation is 'authentic' to an actually-existing ancient system and how much is just a modern interpolation, I don't know.

But the image in the core of the figure here feels like the most 'natural' union of the two to me. Heaven at the top point, Earth at the bottom, Fire and Water as the two triangles themselves.

i-ching.hu/chp00/chp6/analogue

@dl

And of course the I Ching fan club are all over the correspondences between these two systems. How much of this speculation is 'authentic' to an actually-existing ancient system and how much is just a modern interpolation, I don't know.

But the image in the core of the figure here feels *almost* like the most 'natural' union of the two to me. Heaven at the top point, Earth at the bottom, Fire and Water as the two triangles themselves.

i-ching.hu/chp00/chp6/analogue

@dl

Oh yeah and yes I guess there is a whole fairly simple psychological interpretation of 2D geometry in these old diagrams too...

Squares seem to represent 'earth / finiteness / the physical', circles represent 'heaven / the infinite / mind', and triangles (particularly equilateral triangles, and hexes).... sort of the harmonious meeting of the two? Because hex geometry is like midway between square and circle, you can draw it easily and the lengths aren't irrational. So it feels calming.

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