Wait, what. Windows 10 sends info on USB devices plugged in directly to Microsoft?

And it does that using pure HTTP?
https://pastebin.com/ttYp5rLg

You gotta be kidding me.

#InfoSec

@rysiek @scroom
Any non-geek buying a win10 pc and clicking through will be sending a *mountain* of info to redmond.

Even a geek can't stop it entirely during install on a business pc. The only 100% cure is to cfg the router I suppose.

For a friend I'd... <screech!> ... well, I wouldn't let a friend use the thing or any ms code.

20 years ago I told everyone if they wouldn't use gnu/linux or bsd they could find another someone to help them. Lost exactly zero friends, but lost a lot of probs

@gemlog @scroom owned one of these at some point.

@rysiek @scroom
Before I instituted the only linux/bsd rule it did get to that point. I was overwhelmed with the lunacy of ppl running ms and clicking on all the things...

@gemlog @rysiek

Me too. Unfortunately I have to work with MS systems at work.

@scroom @rysiek Me too :(

20 years ago i hoped everyone would be using *nix. Today they are!

Everywhere but the desktop :-(

Websites are linux or bsd. Same for cell phones. Every top 100 super computer is linux. Alarms and control. Routers and other embedded systems...

At least the servers at work are linux.

@gemlog @scroom @rysiek There are already companies running Linux/BSD only on Desktop too. I have the advantage of owning the company and we run 3 busniess areas. All jobs are done Linux/BSD only. Mobile still some IOS stuff, but willing and more than happy to buy Librem 5 if they make it to the market. Actually there is only FOSS Software used on Desktop/Servers, changed VMWare to Promox too and it looks like its working out as expected.

@kmj @scroom @rysiek My own government frustrates me.
Our large school district was managed with gpl s/w coded by a local. It was on e.g. freshmeat and used in a few other places in our province and in random places over the world. 1 day someone had lunch with someone and the govt mandated everyone buy microsoft!
Also, forced to use msw by pharmacare & bc med (govt) at my current employ. It's damn frustrating frankly.

@gemlog @scroom @rysiek time is on FOSS side, but for sure if marketing budget comes in, somebody wiill heavily try to let people run stuff they sale. Interesting side is that more and more Administrators knowing what they do are showing up. These educated guys will replace the clicki-clicki guys. If Amins know what they do, they love setting things up in Linux/BSD. The ones only know where they clicked, without idea why its working now, will be step by step replaces with OS Upgrades. :-)

@kmj @scroom @rysiek Seen it the other way tho. At one of the larger places i did with ~100 staff they interviewed several local IT firms to take over from me. I gave them network diagrams and docs. I explained how DRBD etc worked and they had a lot of custom scripts to automate projects and field work.
Within 3 months they nuked it all, and msw'd the place. Also, I gave them the db and public_html to host in my stead. Hacked and defaced in a week.
Even 25 yrs out I rejoice seeing linux on a pc.

@gemlog @scroom @rysiek i still think it will change. to much of these excel-sheet managers out there and they all have the companies leaned to the max. only thing the spare more money and hide their problem to run a company the serious way, is to reduce software costs with FOSS. i am sure this will happen soon.

@kmj @gemlog @scroom problem is that switching is a considerable up-front cost that needs good justification. Just "letting it slide" and paying more in the long run is easier to do in many places, sadly.

@rysiek @gemlog @scroom i agree with your not fired and upfron costs statement mostly. For me there are leaders, taking responsibility for their actions and Lemmings trying to protect their job without looking for the best for the company. Lemmings in meetings defends themselfs with "I bought what all others bought too, so I am not the one responsible." . Additionally, they throw out companies money to fullyfy their idea to defend their job as much as possible.

@kmj @gemlog @scroom sure.

My point, I guess, is that we need to get to the point that the lemmings will feel more comfortable with FLOSS than with proprietary shite.

@rysiek @kmj @gemlog @scroom step one: stop calling the audience you're trying to reach lemmings. More flies with honey.

@tw @rysiek @kmj @scroom I doubt anyone here is dumb enough to actually mount an argument with such a person using that language; it's a good point though.

It does happen that people who blindly buy into oracle, ibm, microsoft et al. are extremely unlikely to be reading this thread -- or any other about computers.

They are programmed by the advertising and the culture that arose from it. They don't seek information on a topic they are largely uninterested in other than a pay-cheque.